i was talking to my mom today and she started saying some crazy (i don't really mean crazy) stuff.
much to her amazement, i started taking notes.
my mom is a bit of a bible scholar--but she walks a different path than traditionalists.
Jesus said that he was going to prepare a place for us. the original greek doesn't say he's making a mansion for everyone. it says, 'in my father's house are many CELLS.' now, i was like: ok...so...cells like in a prison? lovely.
she's like: CELLS! like cellular biology! like, cells in a body!
then i started taking notes.
i've been trying to grasp the "we are all one" concepts. Jesus stressed the importance of being united--being one. the apostle paul trampled over those statements, and put it in more simplistic terminology: you are a foot, i am a hand in one body.
Jesus went deeper than that. cells! cells have unique characteristics, yet all function as one.
further...
my mom talked about communion (see the word UNION in there?), and how as the catholics believe, you really are consuming Jesus' body and blood. looking at it from a cellular level, taking in the blood of christ would be a cleansing experience. and if one cell in a body is affected, the whole body will be affected.
if ALL cells are working as one...
anyway. the implications are in my mind, but i can't quite get them out.
thoughts!?
--gertie
much to her amazement, i started taking notes.
my mom is a bit of a bible scholar--but she walks a different path than traditionalists.
Jesus said that he was going to prepare a place for us. the original greek doesn't say he's making a mansion for everyone. it says, 'in my father's house are many CELLS.' now, i was like: ok...so...cells like in a prison? lovely.
she's like: CELLS! like cellular biology! like, cells in a body!
then i started taking notes.
i've been trying to grasp the "we are all one" concepts. Jesus stressed the importance of being united--being one. the apostle paul trampled over those statements, and put it in more simplistic terminology: you are a foot, i am a hand in one body.
Jesus went deeper than that. cells! cells have unique characteristics, yet all function as one.
further...
my mom talked about communion (see the word UNION in there?), and how as the catholics believe, you really are consuming Jesus' body and blood. looking at it from a cellular level, taking in the blood of christ would be a cleansing experience. and if one cell in a body is affected, the whole body will be affected.
if ALL cells are working as one...
anyway. the implications are in my mind, but i can't quite get them out.
thoughts!?
--gertie
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Hi gertie and welcome to the new tribe. I am excited about this space and the intention.
As you know, cells are the basic unit of life for biologists. Thomas Lewis compares the earth to a cellular system, which is apt.
Because what Paul was doing was SO astonishing and radical - preaching to the gentiles - it wasn't until he received Peter's seemingly cautious approval by visiting a Roman's house for dinner that the gentile church sprang up.
Before any of this, Jesus had asked the disciples to preach to the scattered aramaic tribes in Assyria and Northern Africa, THEN teach the gentiles. So the Assyrian Church in fact is the most ancient church, and due to relative historical isolation (in the heart of the Muslim empires) the Assyrian Churches still speak the same colloqial Aramaic as Jesus did.
My understanding is that Paul was the overall co-ordinator, increasingly, relied upon to hold the far-flung cells together. In a few years Paul went from doing manual labor in Ephesus to support himself while he preached, to being imprisoned as a heroic figure. His heart was focused, I feel, on spreading the message of lovingness and goodness and purity even in jail.
Paul's statements about women being quiet in church seem strange now. But that was the times for patriarchy in that society, I suppose.
Biologists don't know how cells "know" how to diversify into heart, lung, skin and brain cells etc. The organising power of the body seems to me to be a genuine Holy Spirit, and the same as that which orders our hearts and minds towards happiness and peace.
Thanks for contributing gertie! I appreciate you kicking off dialog with such a thoughtful post.
Welcome all.
Namaste!
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There are a lot of spiritual and mystical traditions in which the body of the universe is represented as the anthropos, or primoridal man. Two examples - some Buddhist traditions teach that all that is is a manifestation of what they call the adi-buddha, or 'primoridal Buddha'. In the Kaballah, there is a similar figure called Adam Kadmon, whose body composes the universe.
I think in the Christian tradition that makes particular sense. Christ is a Logos, a uniter of opposites. Two fo the principles that Christ unites are the incarnate and the eternal. I think he is a stand-in, or micrcocosmic representation, of the mutual inter-penetration of the divine creative energy and the material in the manifest universe.
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cool cool. those are good thoughts on paul, and how he traveled the spectrum of 'enlightenment.'
setting the record straight on paul and women:
paul wrote letters to several different churches. each church received a slightly different message, a message that applied to their situation.
it is not recommended to read paul's works WITHOUT some sort of ancient history book in tow.
there was one church where the women were gossiping--as is common in many churches today. ; ) this is the church that paul came down on. he didn't tell the men to shut up, because they weren't doing the backbiting.
paul also told women to be subject to their husbands. however, right before this line he tells men to love their wives. my sister was just telling me about a sermon that was preached in her church by the pastor's wife... the pastor's wife demonstrated through a quick survey that most men value respect over love, and most women value love over respect. perhaps paul was in tune with this, and was encouraging men and women to do what was beneficial to their spouse. i mean, really, how many women would be excited if their husbands slanked around the house all weak and submissive-like. for me, it is abrasive to be told to be submissive; so i get a little nervous around sermons based on paul's teachings. i have heard too many people take paul's words out of context!!
i do wish that the christian church would focus more on the words of Jesus than on the words of paul. i believe one major part of the judgmentalism found in churches stems from our ignorant understanding of paul's works.
thoughts?
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As a child I couldn't comprehend Paul. He sounded controlling.
As an adult, I strive to see the intention behind the words (ie, loving, caring, unifying, truthful) and I am reminded of what a different calling Paul had to Jesus.
Gertie you comments helpfully put Paul and women in context... many thanks!
Can you comment on what the difference in ministry was between the two men? Was Paul non-Jewish overall in his message and was Jesus mostly Jewish, or something inbetween?
Rgds,
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Jesus calibrates at 1000. paul...has to be much lower... right?
i have found that it's almost impossible to take Jesus' words out of context. paul's words are EASY to mess up.
further, paul grew up as a judger. the judging patterns stayed with him even after his transformation. his style of ministry was based in educating, not loving.
Jesus simply focused on love.
jewish or non-jewish isn't really the issue.
make sense? or did i miss the question completely? :)
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Actually I believe on the Hawkins scale St Paul is calibrated in the 8 or 900s, as did a handful of the original disciples including Peter.
Many Jews scattered across Asia Minor looked to Peter in the early days to learn whether or not to preach the message to gentiles. This is described in the first half of Acts, culminating in Peter's visit to a Roman household.
Jews seem to me to be great at spreading messages of all kind. Natural communicators and exiles, those who find the abrahamic homeland that lies the heart may be excellent teachers. Just my impressions.
Abraham himself calibrates in the 700s, so he was a remarkable sage also by that estimate of Hawkins.
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